Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Models Its Not The Models Its How You Handle Them

Models Its Not The Models Its How You Handle Them
Top quality it looks close to my post on models got people language. Pitifully I was apart from home yesterday and may perhaps not supreme. Sensibly than function snag up with interpretation, I command pale make a new post.

APOLOGY:


At first, Saturday nights post was the product of Tullamore Dew and a few conversations that happened on the write to and on facebook. It was a limb I uphold been meaning to residence, I was pale eager to do so supervisor evocatively. I command follow to lecture in my meaning now.

CLARIFICATION:


I actually uphold no dealings with models themselves as long for as they are treated justification and recycled to get bigger, not hegemony, ones thinking. Especially on this underside.

I am actually flabbergasted that no one brought up the fact that I use models in a thick layer in Fundamental Sorcery: lately the typical of Three Levels. Also, I uphold to concede that I in the same way supervisor or less buy participating in the Buddhist models of Anatman - lack of essential self, and the Madyamika essence of loyalty itself swine Emptiness-Luminosity that gives rise to appearances that we surprise to as real. In other words, the clinging to self and quality as inherently portray is a erroneous belief of the existence, at least possible as far as ultimate truth goes. We peaceful up till now uphold to salvage next of kin truth in existence - which is what we are intensely concern with in matters of practical magic. Perfectly, the occurrence swine - I for myself make use of models

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In the function of MY OBJECTIONS Significantly ARE: My objections are actually very well summed up by Gordon in his groovy blog that is actually elastic me new look up to for Chaos Magic: Rune Potage. Torpid I command try to make my own interpretation.

It is not the formation of models that is the dealings, it is the clinging to persons models as decisive belief and the mix-up of what others are feint that causes the dealings. In gloomy, highest scientists forever test their models to find out if they hold in your arms up. Afterward they don't, scientists re-think the models. Magicians look out to blend a typical and passionately conviction it quite than test it. Afterward challenges come up: such as people that do energy magic subsequent to you conviction a "spirit typical" (or vice versa) quite than open up the typical, what I uphold seen is people feint everything in their power to start anything they struggle participating in their belief.

You see this a lot of neo-kabbalah and the 777ing of pale about everything. For precedent you get property like: "Legba is a Mercurial swine when our typical calls for everything to fall participating in a sanitary sort. Never existence the traditional associations with the Sun, if he is the sign, than we wear out him as Mercury!". Hymaneus Beta was even insisting that the 10 Bhumis of Mahayana Buddhism obligation line up with the Tree. This than led to all sorts of mix-up of persons Bhumis

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Frater RO in a see to my imprison post ready an groovy observation: In person, I use the spirit typical when it fits of laughter my belief set of connections. I'm a expensive mage, and the psychological or energy models aren't in accord for highest of my work. They don't work in context. Top-notch the sanction map for the location". "

Ok. All the rage we uphold our models swine based on belief. The key together with belief and essence is utterly key when a belief command thrust you to interpret intelligence in a way that chains your belief quite than leasing the intelligence pause the closure. Torpid, I guarantee with him that his chosen shot and specialization relies on spirits and his typical is good for what he himself does.

He illustrates the dealings in the future paragraph:


"Wherever I reside as a Solid magician, it's in accord to say 'The spirits are the reason of the painting to perform captivating close to energy work.' It's in accord when using the Solid Charm I sooner than know, the way to get the kinds of fight you strength get from Prana training is by consulting the spirits, success initiated, and unloading training in using the armed forces"."

Expound are two evils in the field of.

The early is that you are spoils your spirit typical and applying to every type of magic that everyone does. If the Prana employees are claiming that they are working with the winds that are on average boarder in the participate, and you are simply thinking that they are impolite when your work focuses on spirits, that is utterly further the definition of leasing your typical hegemony your thinking.

The flare emit is that you do not know that you can get the dreadfully fight as the prana training provides when you haven't done it! You are making a very great hypothesis based on the essence of your typical swine collective and your set of connections swine a full description of everything that is barred out submit. To my existence this is pale hubris. To quote some scientist or other whose name absentee me "submit is not with the sole purpose supervisor out submit than we know, submit is supervisor out submit than we can know".

Bunk bed Passage AND FRUIT


One of the reasons that models are less significant in magic than they are in science is that we are concern with property that:

A: Cannot be thorough as with detachment as the phenomena that science preparations

B: Regularly, belief or our own mental employment acting a generous personality in the art.

In conditions of encountering conflicting traditions in magic and religion it is really secret to posture each from their own substandard, and out of action their own path, if we insist on to reach the fruit that they are perceived to cause. If we assume that Neoplatonic/hermetic models refurbish everything, and then film set to try a different tradition of magic it is a grievous obscure to start off thinking that it is going to ensue a type of seven emanations from a unassailable reason with each level overseen by some appearance of Archon or Ghost who mirco-manages everything. You command perfunctorily mis-understand.

EXAMPLES:


I examples of this subsequent to I met some Theosophists in Nepal. Apart from the fact Tibetans uphold been teaching far off and opening the authentic tradition to the world for again 50 time, and created 1000 era supervisor information on the make happy than Blavatski did, these dwell in insisted on program everything guide the theosophical lens. They even were warry of Druka Kagyu teachers when they were dreaded "Red Hats", no matter what the fact that modern Tibetans completely ever uphold this appearance of hostilities, and never had the appearance of antagonism that Blavatski imagined. I uphold in the same way seen it with stiff individual Crowleyites interfacing with Taoism and Yoga. They hold in your arms Crowleys models up as supervisor authentic and true to the tradition than what the actual yogins and priests teach!

A supervisor practical precedent is subsequent to we were management a conjuration of Vassago at Thelesis one day in the dead 90's. I was going to be the juggler and a sister was going to be seer. Being that obligation uphold hardly read DuQuette asked: "Who's Vassago command appear? Yours or hers?".

I noted that he was leasing his typical hegemony his working to the range that he was not even open to the possibility of Vassago swine a split-up piece. Experienced I was a Buddhist he noted that I for myself gorge the unalterable lack of infringe, so what may perhaps be my objection to seeing Vassago this way. The supreme of course is that Vassago is with the sole purpose as allied and inseparable as we were as at all beings, and that we were energetic within the realm of next of kin truth.

Sometimes the clinging to models as truth is so unbiased it utterly shuts you off from whatsoever that does not fit. A few time ago I ready the aqauinatnce of someone who 's typical does not uphold any room for spirituality, transcendence, or transpersonal mystical states. If he works with the gods at all, it is with the sole purpose as they diverse in the very demean astral - mostly beings that are pale claiming that name. He insists that all religion is simply the shelter be attracted to of these demean beings, and that religious studies and such really doesnt take. His ancestry towards any of these mystical or transpersonal states is: sanction it. The dealings of course is that if you are clinging to a typical that refuses to shrink in the work that reveals persons states, submit is no way to sanction them. Its close to proving that Russia exists to someone who refuses to get on a airplane to travel submit.

MY OWN USE OF MODELS


So now that I accused others of hubris, I am going to go brief and shrink in some for myself. As I sooner than noted, In TSS and other Fundamental Sorcery Assets I uphold talked about the three levels as a typical for use in practical magic. One of the property that I salvage insisting conversely because of that chapter is not to surprise to in a thick layer to the typical. It is good as far as it is useful, but necessary never hegemony ones thinking. In the Fundamental Sorcery course for court case we start language supervisor about a seven pack up typical - which is in the same way everything that is pale a tool, not a opinion.

The three levels arose out of observing how different traditions tapped participating in different sources for magic. By observing a lot of different types of magic, and achievement mastery in a couple, and ability in a few supervisor, I was sound to see how different paths hit different points in their magic. For precedent I was sound to see how Rootworkers worked fundamental with physical physica (which we really haven't talked about further yet - how does that work participating in your models?) and prayer. Undercurrent ceremonialists look out to exit Vigorous Levels and Clemency. Undercurrent Psionic practitioners look out to with the sole purpose work with the animated level.

While discussing the Tibetans odd mix of very difficult energy work, advanced spirit work, meditation, as well as shot on materia that amounts to very ideal hedge magic (everything that thows a lot of people off), I realized that what I treasured about it so further is that it hit all the levels I was seeing. I than experimented with other types of magic, making them hit all three levels. I came to the closure based on the fight that this was a good typical

So the two differences are:


1. The typical is not based on my belief. It is based on my comments.

2. The typical can and necessary be experienced forever to see if it can be stuck-up or long-drawn-out.

3. The typical necessary not be recycled as a tool to interpret traditions subsequent to persons traditions are themselves saying everything different. At least possible not until a lot of trial and learning the substandard path and fruit of that tradition is performed.

Basically. I am not anti-theory or anti-model. I am anti-clinging and see people misusing their models in ways that hegemony quite than get bigger understanding and radio show.